Roblox & Red Flags: A Blueprint for Safe Gaming–Jonathan Ober & Frank Kuligowski

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Roblox & Red Flags: A Blueprint for Safe Gaming

Guests:Jonathan Ober and Frank Kulgowski

From the collection:The Mission of Christian Gaming (Day 2 of two)

Air date:June 2, 2026

Jonathan (00:04):

If they begin speaking a few recreation, they begin speaking about Roblox or VRChat or no matter it is likely to be, inform me about it. Sit down with them. You might not perceive all of it, however that’s when you want to say, “Okay, what is a portal?” And get them to outline that. And what do you do on this world? What do you do on this recreation? Be curious, be understanding. And then there are some boundaries you want to set.

Dave (00:33):

Welcome to FamilyLife Today, the place we need to show you how to pursue the relationships that matter most. I’m Dave Wilson.

Ann (00:39):

And I’m Ann Wilson. You can discover us at FamilyLifeToday.com. This is FamilyLife Today.

So at present we’re going to be speaking about gaming with function. Is that attainable, do you suppose?

Dave (00:58):

Yes, it’s undoubtedly attainable. Our children do it. They adore it however—

Ann (01:02):

Do they do it with a function?

Dave (01:04):

Yeah, enjoyable, pleasure.

Ann (01:05):

That’s true.

Dave (01:07):

And there’s in all probability an even bigger function, which Frank and Jonathan are going to take us into at present. So it’s going to be an ideal dialog.

Ann (01:13):

And perhaps you’re pondering, “I’m not a gamer. This doesn’t relate to me.” But we will all make a dent the place we’re despatched as a result of God’s given us passions and issues we love and we will at all times convey the gospel into these areas.

Dave (01:25):

Yeah, and that’s what these guys are doing. And it’s fairly thrilling. So let’s go.

Ann (01:34):

It’s an untapped world for the gospel.

Frank (01:36):

It’s a folks group.

Ann:

Yeah.

Frank:

It’s a folks group.

Ann:

Yeah.

Frank:

Yeah. And you may attain folks. I imply, we’ve East Asia, Middle East, Eastern Europe, Western Europe, we’ve gotten conversations all around the world. Now, due to time zone, folks are typically on a little bit extra at evening.

Jonathan (01:50):

And I might additionally say one other factor, and I might additionally say one other factor is extra occasions than I care to confess, however I really feel like I’ve been there to avoid wasting somebody. I bear in mind a dialog just lately after I requested anyone, “How are you doing?” And they have been like, “Not great.” I used to be like, “Okay, do you want to share a little bit?” And generally there’s a little bit trepidation. They don’t need to get into all the small print, however extra occasions than not, somebody is keen to share what’s happening of their life as a result of there may be that anonymity of simply being type of an avatar and also you’re not close to me, you’re perhaps throughout the globe. And this individual was like, “I’m just having a rough day. My girlfriend just broke up with me. I think I want to end my life.” And that has occurred extra occasions than I care to rely the place—

Dave (02:35):

A suicidal tendency.

Jonathan (02:36):

The suicidal tendencies. The melancholy, the loneliness. I talked to that individual, I stated, “I can’t be there with you, but I can be here for you.” And as we have been going by means of and speaking, I stated, “Is there someone that can come sit in the room with you?” And he stated, “Not for a while.” And I stated, “Okay, I’ll stay with you as long as I can.” And I believe I went over my lunch break. I do know that. And I obtained to share about FamilyLife and what we do right here and the way we attain households, how we attain blended households and marriages and simply type of talked about something. And I shared a little bit bit about video video games and among the video games I prefer to play, and so they shared about among the stuff that they prefer to play. And I actually actually consider that by the tip of that, as I bear in mind taking my headset off and simply in tears for what God—and I used to be in an area on my own and met this individual.

(03:25):

And so after that dialog, having the ability to pray with them, understanding that by the tip of that two hours, they weren’t at that time pondering they have been very grateful that I shared with them and talked to them and I obtained to hope with them. And so whenever you ask, why do you do that? I believe it’s like these moments the place anyone says, “I don’t want to be here anymore.” And I’m like, “You know what? I’m going to be here so that you’re still here,” and proceed to hope over them, pray with them. We’ve linked with folks in our Discord the place we’ve been in a position to construct relationships which are longer than simply that 15 minute or hour lengthy or two-hour lengthy dialog. That’s why, as a result of they’re not going to step essentially right into a church. They’re not going to, at the least proper now of their life, they’re not going to step right into a church. They might by no means hear the gospel if we don’t go and share it.

Dave (04:17):

Yeah. So like that man, do you find yourself staying in contact?

Jonathan (04:21):

Yeah. I imply, if that relationship appears to hit it off or there’s like a bond there. Sometimes I’ll simply ask them, I used to be like, “Hey, is it okay if we become friends?” And so you may good friend anyone, I can click on on their avatar and ask them to be my good friend.

Dave (04:37):

Sort of like Facebook?

Jonathan (04:38):

You can high-five them. And then change into a good friend. And then each time I am going on, in the event that they’re on-line, I’ll see them in my sidebar with my pals similar to you’d on Facebook. I can see once they’re there and I can truly be a part of them in the event that they’re in a spot that it’s like, it’ll say like be a part of and I’ll simply click on on be a part of, and a portal will present up, and I’ll zap over to the place they’re at.

Frank (04:56):

Yeah, zip over.

Ann (04:57):

You guys, I’m simply pondering of the conversations that I’ve had over time of individuals which are very judgmental in the case of this type of life, like what sort of individual would get on this life. They don’t have any life. I’ll let you know who would get on that type of factor, Jesus, to avoid wasting souls. He would go anyplace to rescue his misplaced youngsters. And so I take a look at that and I believe, what number of did you say?—33 million are on Roblox?

Frank (05:22):

The numbers I heard from my good friend Bruce is I believe 380 million month-to-month energetic customers. So each month—

Ann (05:28):

380 million.

Frank (05:30):

Yeah, is coming onto Roblox enjoying. And not all of them are like on headsets, it’s cellphone or pill or headset. I imply, there are simply that many individuals.

Ann (05:40):

It’s an untapped world—

Frank (05:42):

It actually is.

Ann (05:42):

—for the gospel of Jesus.

Jonathan:

For certain.

Ann:

And if it’s your factor—we have now a son who was a complete gamer, into all of that. He beloved that world and as a substitute of poo-pooing it like “Get a life,” that type of factor, you’re pondering, no, this might change into part of your life that could possibly be redemptive for the gospel.

Frank (06:02):

Yeah.

Jonathan:

For certain.

Frank:

I do bear in mind a frontrunner quite a lot of years in the past within the digital house inside Cru stated, “We go where people are at.” And so if there’s lots of people which are there, we don’t essentially need to depart them in the identical place, in the identical manner the place they’re at, however you go and also you share and a variety of it, listening, empathizing, asking questions, displaying care, care for his or her soul. I imply, we need to go in these areas and it’s at all times on. It’s similar to anytime, “Okay, let’s pray and go.” And yeah.

Dave (06:35):

Yeah. I imply, whenever you stated that, I believed we try this ministry clever in some other venue. If there’s a Super Bowl, we attempt to be there. The Olympics, Cru, FamilyLife, have folks on web site to be gentle and to hunt out alternatives to be Jesus. Nobody’s occupied with this world. This is greater than all these worlds.

Frank (06:58):

It’s actually huge.

(06:59):

And I’ll point out one different factor that Ober stated, so once more, the platform VRChat is certainly one of them, Roblox, there’s all these. So if we go in to say VRChat, we have now a dialog and it’s actually good like, “Hey, I’d love to see you. You come here very often, maybe we can connect.” By the way in which, do you employ Discord? That’s one other instrument, a platform that we will go and a variety of them do. And so I truly, I simply take up my headset up and I say, “Hey, I would love to hear.” And then I kind it in. They’re like, “Yeah, sure, my name is. ” I stated, “Oh, great.” I kind it in and put my headset again down. And then after that, I’ll ship them a good friend request on Discord and then you definately’re simply linked anytime. You don’t need to be on the earth.

(07:36):

You can textual content them, you may ship them a video, you may hear, you are able to do video chat. Yeah. So we attempt to couple that, the in-person within the digital house with the—

Ann:

You have a method.

Frank:

Strategy after which we might be—and for many individuals that we’ve met, it’s VR and Discord and also you’re speaking after which, “Hey, join me in this.” And you invite them to the group, “Hey, my friends are over here. We’re going to do this.” Really bringing them into group. And so yeah, it’s been actually cool how God has began to construct this out.

Ann (08:07):

Do you ever attempt to bridge it then for them to discover a church or group that manner, like in actual life?

Jonathan (08:13):

Yeah. I imply, that may be a objective is to attach them with different believers of their communities. I believe the onerous factor is as a result of they’re from throughout, I’ve obtained to know anyone in that space. And that’s the place having the Discord is type of a steppingstone as a result of they might on there, discover anyone else who’s a believer, who’s going to church and so they’re like, “Oh, we’re just a town away.” I imply, I do know there have been people who I’ve had conversations with that obtained plugged into our Discord that then discovered a church to go to. So it’s attainable.

Frank (08:44):

Yeah. And truly, as Ober talked about, we need to join them bodily actuality, the church, a spot the place they will, my good friend says, a spot the place they will get a hug. And so there’s a story that I’ll briefly share is, so my good friend, Jeff and I have been in a spaceship world, and it was type of noisy and we’re like, “Oh, there’s just a lot of commotion and stuff. It’s harder to get in conversations.”

Ann:

Because the spaceship was loud?

Frank:

Well, the folks have been loud contained in the spaceship. I don’t bear in mind the rumbling of the spaceship as a lot.

Dave (09:14):

Now whenever you say loud, are the folks speaking or is all of it texting?

Frank:

Yep, it’s all speaking.

Jonathan (09:18):

People are speaking.

Dave (09:18):

In your individual voice?

Frank:

In your individual voice.

Jonathan (09:22):

I imply, effectively, some folks will modulate their voice the place it is likely to be synthesized or sound.

Dave (09:25):

You’re like in a room that’s loud.

Frank (09:28):

And the identical factor with like, if I’m nearer to you, your voice is louder. If I am going again, the identical factor. If I hear you on the left, I look over and it’s like, it’s all spatially the identical. So we’re on this a part of the spaceship. It’s type of a bunch of individuals and there’s this 3D drawing they’re drawing and similar to—so we’re like, “Well, maybe we can—it’s a little easier. Let’s go over to this corridor.” And so we stroll over and we noticed an avatar seem like a girl avatar, a feminine avatar, and Jeff and I simply went in and we’re like, “Hey, how are you doing?” And then she began chatting with us and we’re like, “My friend and I, we come from a church. We like to—“ “Church, really? Church?” We’re like, “Yeah.” And so she was from East Asia.

(10:07):

She’s in East Asia on the time.

Ann (10:09):

But they’re talking English?

Frank (10:10):

And she’s talking English with an accent, and we may perceive her some, however she’s like, “Oh, I’m in”—she talked about a sure nation in East Asia and he or she was like, “I want to go to church because I’m here in East Asia and it’s—” And we stated, “Guess what? You can go to church right now if you want to.” 20 seconds later, I counted truly for my—20 seconds, we’re in a church. But what we didn’t discover was like, hey, Jeff and Frank and this different girl, then there’s a fourth individual. And we’re like, “Welcome.” And this fourth individual truly stated, “Oh, hi.” And stated, “I heard your conversation. I was curious about church. And I zipped through the portal just before it closed.”

Ann (10:50):

Come on.

Frank (10:51):

And I got here in and I simply was curious. And so we’re like, oh. And we obtained to know him. He’s only a actually nice child. He finally ends up being a pupil right here within the US and simply obtained to know him extra and stated, “Hey, you want to come back to this church on Sunday when they have a service?” Sure. He got here; it was so cool to have him there. And the following week that they had, it was a fellowship time, and so they have a digital campfire in a digital park, and the church goes to collect. And he got here and he beloved it and it was simply actually nice. So ultimately we obtained to know extra, and we obtained to know him. We frolicked in digital actuality in Discord and that, after which he wrote me on Discord and stated, “I want to let you know I’m a Christian.” I used to be like, “Whoa, this is so cool.” And so we linked him together with his native, the Cru motion there at his college by means of Discord.

(11:39):

He’s linked now with folks proper round him.

Dave (11:43):

Yeah, like whenever you have been sharing that story, we talked a little bit bit about lunch. Some folks would say, “Oh, you’re replacing the church, you’re a barrier to church rather than a pathway.” You would say—

Frank:

A pathway.

Dave:

It’s a pathway.

Frank (11:55):

It’s a pathway.

Dave (11:55):

You’re at all times main them to the actual world, the bodily world.

Frank (11:59):

The bodily world.

Jonathan (12:01):

I’ll share a little bit bit. This is likely to be an abridged model, however so far as how I obtained to right here, so I’ve been enjoying video video games since I used to be little. My stepdad and I performed the Legend of Zelda recreation. We would go into it into our personal little save file and play by means of the sport and share notes in a little bit pocket book forwards and backwards. So that was my first foray into video gaming and that has continued on in a variety of alternative ways. So I’ve just about had each online game system that got here out. I’ve performed a variety of video video games. I’m even reviewing video video games and now I’m additionally streaming on Twitch, enjoying video video games and individuals are coming and watching. And what I imply by a pathway is that there was a time in all probability a few 12 months in the past now, I performed a online game and in all this too, one of many different facet quests I’m on is I run a online game membership at an area faculty in Pennsylvania the place I’m from.

(12:54):

And I’ve anyplace from like 15 to twenty college students coming to our membership nights on Mondays and Thursdays enjoying video video games collectively.

Dave (13:02):

I imply, they’re coming right into a constructing now.

Jonathan (13:03):

They’re coming right into a bodily constructing.

Ann:

Crazy, that they arrive to do that?

Jonathan:

Yeah, they arrive and play video video games. And in order that they’ll play collectively. Sometimes they’re simply enjoying their very own video games. Sometimes they’re enjoying a gaggle recreation of 4 to eight gamers. And in that point and in what I used to be sharing about streaming video games on Twitch, I had some college students coming and watching me play video games. And so I used to be enjoying a recreation one time, and it was a few woodsman who had just lately misplaced his spouse and the sport takes you thru the primary 12 months of that loss. And you undergo principally him going by means of grief and doing his on a regular basis duties. Imagine having to backyard and reduce timber down and deal with the homestead and all of the repairs. And by means of that, he has these flashbacks of when his spouse was alive and with them and the enjoyment that she introduced.

(13:48):

And so that you undergo these ups and downs of his life. And as I’m enjoying this recreation, I’m sharing a few very private a part of my life. And that was, so I began speaking about video gaming and my stepdad and the way in which that he and I bonded over video video games. And he handed away a number of years in the past. It’s in all probability been eight or 10 years now. And as I used to be enjoying this recreation speaking about lack of this woodsman to his spouse, I used to be simply sharing and I had a pair college students that have been on my stream watching and texting within the chat. And I simply began sharing in regards to the emotions that I went by means of.

(14:24):

And even at present, like among the stuff that I simply bear in mind and grieve over. I’ve two teenage daughters that he won’t ever see graduate. And so I’m sharing that. And certainly one of my college students, Chris, stated, he got here to me later and he stated, “The way that you shared about your relationship with Jesus just made me realize that I need to get back to church.”

(14:44):

And so he’s certainly one of many college students. I used to be taking anyplace from like three to 5 guys to our church on Sunday mornings. And so we have now a church bros Discord, and I simply will ship out and say like, “Hey, who needs a ride to church?” And so I choose these guys up and take them to church. And that’s like only a small a part of like how all this comes collectively. One of the issues I’ve shared in all probability during the last 12 months, a number of, a number of occasions is that the Venn diagram of who I’m is shortly turning into a circle. And it’s that love of Jesus, love of video video games, and ensuring that others find out about Jesus. In the previous, these circles barely touched. I lived a separate lifetime of a Christian, I lived a separate lifetime of a video gamer, and I wasn’t actually sharing the gospel with others.

(15:31):

And during the last two years now of being part of online game outreach, being part of this advisor place with these younger males, younger girls in our membership, I’ve been in a position to construct relationship with these college students. I’m with them two days every week at the least as a result of we maintain different tournaments and different occasions. I’m sharing and streaming on-line. I’m not afraid to hope for folks after I’m streaming. Very a lot within the final two years, these circles or these items of that Venn diagram have change into a circle that simply overlaps.

Ann (16:03):

And isn’t that the objective for all of us? I take into consideration you, Dave, you’ve performed that your complete life. Like you’re a pastor, however even should you weren’t your complete life, certainly one of your joys and enjoyable is sports activities, one other one’s music and also you’ve at all times used that to attract folks into the gospel, the dominion.

Dave:

My portal.

Ann:

It is your portal.

Frank (16:21):

That’s your portal.

Dave (16:23):

Yeah. But you stroll in, such as you stated, I imply, even working with professional athletes, it’s like, am I a soccer participant who’s a Christian or am I a Christian who performs soccer? I’m a Christian first and the whole lot else I do is an extension of that.

Jonathan:

Absolutely.

Dave:

So you’re a Christian who’s a gamer and also you convey Jesus in every single place you go. I imply, FamilyLife’s technique is make an impression in your nook of the world.

Frank (16:45):

I really like that.

Dave (16:46):

That’s your nook. I at all times say, “Make a dent where you’re sent.” And the query then is, “Well, I think you’re sent, you’re in ministry.” I’m like, “No, wherever you are is where you’re sent.”

Ann (16:55):

And what are your passions?

Dave (16:56):

So no matter portal you’re strolling into, you’re despatched to make a dent, imply an impression in no matter manner it’d be. This dialog may find yourself there, might not, I’m simply going to drift round this world and see the place God’s going to connect me to anyone that perhaps has a necessity that I’m within the reply to convey Jesus, proper? I imply, how stunning is that this? I by no means knew this.

Ann (17:20):

I do know my thoughts is blown.

Dave (17:22):

And some dad and mom are pondering my child’s in some room and now they could go, there’s a Christian in all probability in that room who’s there on function with a prayer to make use of me, God.

Jonathan (17:34):

And if there’s not an individual in that room that’s a Christian that perhaps we’ll share with them, they are often that individual, their child or the mother and pop, they could possibly be going into these areas and saying, “How can we bring Jesus to this game or this world or this portal?”

Dave (17:48):

Yeah.

Ann (17:49):

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Dave (17:54):

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Ann (18:07):

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Dave (18:18):

What would you say to the dad and mom whose children are gaming and proper now they’re like, “I don’t like this. This is something I don’t want them doing.”

Ann (18:25):

I didn’t. I’d be like, “What are you guys doing? You’re wasting your life. You’re wasting your time.”

Dave (18:30):

Talk to that mum or dad. How would you give one other perspective?

Jonathan (18:34):

Yeah. I imply, I believe, once more, it goes again to communication. I believe as households, we want to verify we’re speaking as a result of I believe that’s an enormous lack, typically talking, that we’re not speaking to one another. But then I believe as a mum or dad, you actually need to suppose, “Okay, why does my son or daughter enjoy this?”

Ann (18:52):

That’s the query. Be curious. Tell me about this world. Tell me what you’re keen on about it.

Jonathan (18:56):

So if they begin speaking a few recreation, they begin speaking about Roblox or VRChat or no matter it is likely to be, there’s 1000’s, tens of 1000’s of video games on the market. Tell me about it. Sit down with them. You might not perceive all of it, however that’s when you want to say, “Okay, what is a portal?” And get them to outline that. And what do you do on this world? What do you do on this recreation? Get them to outline it, perceive, be curious, be understanding. And then there are some boundaries you want to set. If grades begin slipping or if it looks like they’re simply spending all their time and their chores aren’t getting performed, clearly talk. At our home, one of many guidelines is you want to learn a e-book so long as you’re going to play a online game.

Ann (19:38):

Ooh, I like that one.

Jonathan (19:39):

And so sadly meaning we spent some huge cash on books and honest amount of cash on video video games, nevertheless it has was a dialog piece. And like I stated earlier, whenever you’re going to play this recreation, what are your objectives or what’s your intent? What recreation are you enjoying? If you’re moving into there and you actually don’t have a plan, it’s not going to fly. And so that you set boundaries, you set tasks. But I believe if in case you have a baby that’s enjoying or a younger pupil that’s enjoying, present them this video of this podcast and say, “Hey, these guys are going in sharing a love of Jesus. What if you do that? Or what if we do that together?” And that turns into your mission discipline. Well, what if it’s like, “Hey, when you’re in a foyer ready to start out your match, what should you simply say, ‘Hey, what are you learning?’

(20:27):

And then perhaps it’s like, “Hey, well, I’m learning about what Jesus did in sharing the gospel to thousands of people while also feeding them.” “Oh, what is that? Tell me a little bit about that.” Their pals would possibly begin getting interested in who Jesus is or different issues which are happening in your life. How is your loved ones? And then they begin sharing about perhaps struggles with their mother and pop. Then you understand like, hey, that is one thing I could possibly be praying about. And then as a child with your pals, perhaps you’re like, “Hey, I could start praying for you.” And they’re like, “Whoa, what is this prayer?” And it simply begins conversations. And as a result of that your pupil could also be enjoying with somebody that goes to their college, that’s a simple finish to then say, “Hey, come to youth group, come to church.”

Dave (21:06):

Yeah. I believe it’s simple as dad and mom after we don’t actually perceive that world that they’re in, whether or not it’s gaming or music or no matter. It’s simple to be judgmental and reasonably than curious to say, “Hey, I want to understand why and what you like about this.”

Ann (21:23):

I picked up this again then, a CD of one thing our son was listening to and I’m like—

Dave (21:28):

I used to be there. I watched this occur.

Ann (21:29):

“This is garbage and we don’t listen to this at our house,” and I threw it within the trash. Dave will get it out of the trash. He says, “Tell me why you like this music.” Which I’m like, “Oh, I need to be better at this stuff.” So to enter into our youngsters’ worlds, however I really like that you simply guys are getting into into a complete world to convey the gospel of Jesus. Well performed.

Dave (21:49):

Yeah. Way to go. I imply, there’s a concern that folks have and a part of it’s we don’t know the world, we don’t perceive it and there’s evil, darkish folks there, which they’re in every single place. So it’s one factor to face 50 yards away from the darkness and yell at it, or will we stroll into it with the sunshine and say, “We’re going to bring the light of Jesus right into it.” Now, there’s risks, in fact.

Frank:

Yeah, completely.

Dave:

You obtained to be very cautious to do it, such as you stated, two by two, go along with your children. If they’ll allow you to and say, “This can be a ministry field. Way to go.”

Jonathan:

Yeah.

Ann (22:24):

Well performed guys.

Dave (22:24):

It’s thrilling. I believe a variety of dad and mom are going to be like, “Wow.”

Ann (22:27):

Is there something that they should know as a mum or dad or place that they will go to do this type of ministry?

Dave (22:32):

You want to start out a portal the place you practice dad and mom.

Frank (22:36):

Well, I’ll say for the dad and mom and others who’re inclined to, in the event that they’re curious and so they’re inclined to look into this extra, the Jesus Film Project has only in the near past launched a Metaverse ministry toolkit.

Dave (22:49):

Ooh, good.

Frank (22:50):

So this can be a compilation of suggestions and recommendations on how folks, people, small teams, church buildings, parachurches, anyone, can get it free off the web site, obtain it and take a look at it. There’s one for Roblox, there’s one for VRChat and so they’re saying like, “This is a little starter guide if you’d like to look into this more.” So that’s—

Ann (23:10):

We’ll embrace that within the present notes.

Jonathan (23:10):

Okay. We do have a Cru gaming space the place dad and mom can come and get some sources and get plugged in to our Discord perhaps even and speak to us, discover us, and perhaps even for his or her pupil to return be a part of. My daughter’s in there and he or she has met a number of folks, certainly one of which that she’s met in actual life, our good friend Jeff’s daughter, and the 2 of them have performed some gaming collectively. They’ve met in individual, however they’ve additionally met just about.

Dave (23:41):

How do they discover you?

Jonathan (23:42):

Yeah, we do have the gaming@Cru.org electronic mail.

Dave (23:44):

Oh, okay.

Jonathan (23:45):

But we will ensure to hyperlink that.

Dave (23:46):

But if I’m on this portal, how do I discover you particularly?

Jonathan (23:50):

In VRChat, you’ll find me with the title Jay Ober, J-A-Y-O-B-E-R, and—

Frank (23:57):

Cool Noodles.

Dave (23:59):

Cool Noodle.

Jonathan (24:00):

Yeah.

Dave (24:00):

Really?

Frank (24:01):

Yeah, I’m Cool Noodles. Yep. And so that you simply, as you kind it in, it’ll present their avatars. And I get it. I imply, as a mum or dad, it’s a battleground, whether or not it’s VR or soccer or music and all that, the enemy can also be attempting to make inroads. And so I perceive that. I imply, and something may change into an idol. I imply, however yeah, if dad and mom are like, “Well, I’d like to find out more. I’d like to engage with my son or daughter, be curious, what did they like about it?” And yeah, they will attain out to us, and we will put within the present notes, particular methods.

Ann (24:36):

Awesome. Perfect.

Dave (24:36):

Yeah, we’ll do it. That’s nice.

Ann:

Thanks guys.

Dave:

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Ann (24:45):

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